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Wednesday, December 16, 2015
Siddhartha Midterm Review
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ReplyDelete"I know you, oh Govinda, from your father's hut, and from the school of the Brahmans, and from the offerings, and from our walk to the Samanas, and from that hour when you took your refuge with the exalted one in the grove Jetavana."
"You're Siddhartha," Govinda exclaimed loudly. "Now, I'm recognising you, and don't comprehend any more how I couldn't recognise you right away. Be welcome, Siddhartha, my joy is great, to see you again."
"It also gives me joy, to see you again. You've been the guard of my sleep, again I thank you for this, though I wouldn't have required any guard. Where are you going to, oh friend?"
"I'm going nowhere. We monks are always travelling, whenever it is not the rainy season, we always move from one place to another, live according to the rules if the teachings passed on to us, accept alms, move on. It is always like this. But you, Siddhartha, where are you going to?"
Quoth Siddhartha: "With me too, friend, it is as it is with you. I'm going nowhere. I'm just travelling. I'm on a pilgrimage."
Govinda spoke: "You're saying: you're on a pilgrimage, and I believe in you. But, forgive me, oh Siddhartha, you do not look like a pilgrim. You're wearing a rich man's garments, you're wearing the shoes of a distinguished gentleman, and your hair, with the fragrance of perfume, is not a pilgrim's hair, not the hair of a Samana."
"Right so, my dear, you have observed well, your keen eyes see everything. But I haven't said to you that I was a Samana. I said: I'm on a pilgrimage. And so it is: I'm on a pilgrimage."
"You're on a pilgrimage," said Govinda. "But few would go on a pilgrimage in such clothes, few in such shoes, few with such hair. Never I have met such a pilgrim, being a pilgrim myself for many years."
"I believe you, my dear Govinda. But now, today, you've met a pilgrim just like this, wearing such shoes, such a garment."
Now Talk about Govinda in this passage. What is his role? What is he doing? What part of the story is this coming from?
Deletei am here let me read it first
Deletesame let me read it first
DeleteGovinda's role is to provide Siddhartha with support. At the same time he is trying ti find his own path to enlightenment.
DeleteI think that Govinda was here to be a reflection to Siddhartha and the decisions that he has made that ended up where he is now. Govind is questioning Siddhartha's actions in the way he is carrying his life. This is from the last part of the book
Deletehe is making sidartha realize how off he has gotten from his original journey, sidartha saying that he is a "pilgrim" but govinda is calling him out saying that he doesn't represent one anymore
DeleteWhat do you mean Fernando?
DeleteGovinda's role right here is to point out that Siddhartha's not on the right path and that he has gotten lost in all of his material possessions
Deleteit's coming from the part of the story when Siddhartha decides he didn't want live like a rich man anymore and he ran away wanting to commit suicide
Deletedid anyone message lear ?
DeleteBasically what you said about him being a reflection. Siddhartha looks back at him and reminisces what he has been through
DeleteWhat is significant about the fact that Govinda does not immediately recognize Siddhartha?
DeleteYou right
DeleteIt shows us how much siddhartha has gotten attached to material possessions and how he has lost his path to enlightenment.
DeleteIt shows how Siddhartha has lost his way from what his friend Govinda remembers .
Deleteit shows how much Siddhartha has changed over time and he's not what he said he wanted to be
Deletethe part of the story that this is coming from is when siddhartha was by the river. This passage talks about how siddhartha understands that people are not judged by what they wear but who they are inside. He now realizes how he behaved and that he needs to change how he behaves.
Deleteme and xavier got the same answers boiii
DeleteIt shows how much Siddhartha has changed and how much he has been obsessed with material possessions
DeleteDang, does that mean I'm wrong. lol
DeleteLmao ^^
DeleteWHat can be inferred from Govinda's repetition of always?
DeleteIt shows that Govinda won't reach Enlightenment because he is always practicing the same thing every day, he isn't making any progress
Deletewhat do you mean lear
DeleteHe keeps saying the word always
DeleteI feel like it shows that Govinda has always been on a straight path, always sticking to one teaching and give his all to the teachings, while Siddhartha has been all over the place with what he is going to do and what teachings he has followed. He has never been constant
DeleteI agree with Myles. His answer was very accriate
Deletei agree with myles phohill
DeleteTime for anotha one
DeleteYeah the same answer as myles he always wanted to do the same thing
Deletejust give us the test lear
Deleteohhh I feel like he's lowkey telling Siddhartha that he's living wrong. like govinda is saying they always do the same thing, so basically they have to do it all that way and Siddhartha isn't doing it
Deletewe need more people to participate for me to release more
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Deletewhere's the real dj Khaled @
DeleteI'm surprised kevin isn't here
Deletehe already has like a 50%, i think he gave up
Deleteor both jorges
Deletei just messaged 3 people
Deleteamanda blamed it on lear for not sending out a reminder but she is coming
Deletehe did send a reminder tho lol
Deletelmao kevin did get a 50% hahahah
DeleteMr lear amanda is here can you give us one more ?
DeleteWe have like 8 people
Delete9 now
DeleteDERRYYAN is here so 9 now
DeleteChrissy Chris is at work
Deleteidk were angel is man I'm calling him
Deletewe need at least 10
DeleteSiddhartha says to Govinda, "Exactly my good man: you have observed well and your keen eyes see everything." In comparison with the earleir part of the passage , the above sate is a/an what?
DeleteI'm here now
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Deleteanother one
DeleteI DIDNT SEE THE REMIND, IM SORRY ðŸ˜
Deleteare we going to have any multiple choice ?
DeleteI do not think i am right, but i am going to go with a metaphor
DeleteNot really sure on this one...
Deleteconfused
Deleteyou are wrong Xavier
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Deleteomg am i completely wrong lol
Deleteim here
DeleteHave no clue so i'm guessing either a metaphor or hyperbole
DeleteIs it paradox, a conceit, an epigram, observant, or ironic
Deletehow is there so many different answers
Deletethank you
DeleteAlyssa those are the options
DeleteIm going between paradox and ironic
Deletei want to say ironic because Govinda is the one who doesn't see that staying with Gotama is getting him nowhere
Deleteor, i meant or ironic
DeleteHe's contradicting govinda, because he did not recognize him at first yet tells him he has keen eyes and sees everything
DeleteThe main idea expressed in the passage is ...
DeleteIronic because Govinda is blind to what he really wants.
DeleteI feel dumb
Deletei would have to go with ironic because of what deryan said how govinda didn't recognize him in the other passage but here he is saying "your keen eyes see everything".
Deletei like fernando's answer too
Deleteangel is about to get on so that is another person
DeleteI agree with oscar
DeleteThe main idea is that Siddhartha has changed significantly, to the point where Govinda doesn't even recognize him anymore and he has taken the wrong path into a world of materialism, which led him to finally realize what he needed to do
DeleteI would say Ironic. This could also be seen as a main theme for King Lear too :)
DeleteIt also shows that Govinda hasn't changed at all, he won't reach Enlightenment because he constantly does the same thing
DeleteI think that the main idea of the passage is to show just how much Siddhartha has detoured from finding his way to enlightenment, and the idea that he has been changed so far that even his best friend did not recognize him.
Deleteif only you would have did your king lear work …
DeleteLet's focus on the questions now, another one please.
DeleteI concur with Myles
DeleteLmao did you oscar?
Deletethe main idea of the passage is how lost siddartha has gotten in his new materialistic world that not even govinda could recognize him
DeleteI agree with most of you: ironic
DeleteOscar you just took your vocab 9 quiz today which was from like 4 years ago
Deleteand I agree with you guys, it's very ironic
Deletealyssa :I …. how did me talking to angel turn into all of this :I
Deleteu started it lol
Deletemore questions mr lear :D
Deletealyssa its spelled you*
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ReplyDeleteI'm here! I forgot!
ReplyDeleteSo.. Are you going to release another test question or am I supposed to answer the one above?
ReplyDeleteI'm here guys. Ready for a question. And then Another One.
ReplyDeleteRead the following
ReplyDeleteWhen the day began, Siddhartha asked his host, the ferryman, to get him across
the river. The ferryman got him across the river on his bamboo-raft, the wide water shimmered reddishly in the light of the morning.
"This is a beautiful river," he said to his companion.
"Yes," said the ferryman, "a very beautiful river, I love it more than anything. Often I have listened to it, often I have looked into its eyes, and always I have learned from it. Much can be learned from a river."
"I than you, my benefactor," spoke Siddhartha, disembarking on the other side of the river. "I have no gift I could give you for your hospitality, my dear, and also no payment for your work. I am a man without a home, a son of a Brahman and a Samana."
"I did see it," spoke the ferryman, "and I haven't expected any payment from you and no gift which would be the custom for guests to bear. You will give me the gift another time."
"Do you think so?" asked Siddhartha amusedly.
"Surely. This too, I have learned from the river: everything is coming back! You too, Samana, will come back. Now farewell! Let your friendship be my reward. Commemorate me, when you'll make offerings to the gods."
Smiling, they parted. Smiling, Siddhartha was happy about the friendship and the kindness of the ferryman. "He is like Govinda," he thought with a smile, "all I meet on my path are like Govinda. All are thankful, though they are the ones who would have a right to receive thanks. All are submissive, all would like to be friends, like to obey, think little. Like children are all people."
i read it .. what now ?
DeleteLook at the ferryman's personified statement about the river
Deletei think that it is the idea that the ferryman found happiness within himself and achieved enlightenment through the river
DeleteWhat's the question?
ReplyDeleteThe ferryman's statement of personification explicates ...
ReplyDeleteHis statement shows that he has found Enlightenment through the river
Deletethe personification from the river is showing us how much of a free spirt the ferryman is and it shows that he is enlightened because its not really the river speaking to him its his inner self guiding him on the right path
Deletelooks like i was on the right path by the looks of amanda and myles
Deleteare we on the right track mr lear ?
DeleteIt shows how much knowledge and wisdom is guven off by the river.
DeleteThe ferryman's statement of personification of the river explicates that it is his foundation to him reaching enlightenment.
DeleteHow the river directed the ferryman into enlightenment
DeleteThat from the river he's become enlightened and references this multiple times:
Delete"Surely. This too, I have learned from the river"
What relationship is foreshadowed here?
DeleteThe idea that he has reached enlightenment from the river on his own, without some teacher or following a teaching
Delete"a very beautiful river, I love it more than anything. Often I have listened to it, often I have looked into its eyes, and always I have learned from it. Much can be learned from a river." He's personifying it as a way of showing his way to enlightenment.
Deletethe relationship that is foreshadowed is the rivers and sidartha's
DeleteThe teachings of the river are foreshadowed to Siddhartha learning from the river later on and resulting in his enlightenment
DeleteThe relationship foreshadowed here is Siddhartha's and the rivers
DeleteThe relationship foreshadowed is the one that Later on Siddhartha becomes the ferryman and listens to the river as well.
DeleteThe relationship between Sidd and the Ferryman.
DeleteI agree with deryan
Deletekeep the questions coming mr lear so i can pass tomorrow lol
DeleteThat he has almost reached enlightment
DeleteAm I not replying to the correct place or what bc I'm lost
DeleteI agree with deryan
DeleteThat he's learned many things from the river?
ReplyDeleteThat he's found his enlightenment in the river. That he's basically become one with the river?
DeleteI agree with amanda
DeleteHe also foreshadows that Siddhartha will find his enlightenment there too by saying "this too, I have learned from the river: everything is coming back! You too Samana, will come back."
ReplyDelete^ not only does he refer to his payment because of the ferry ride, but the ferryman knows what he's lowkey trying to say. Maybe the ferryman knows all along what Siddhartha is looking for, that's why he gives him the free ride to the city so he can go through the process of finding himself and come back to realize that it was there all along: the river
DeleteAMANDA stop commenting just reply
DeleteI WAS REPLYING
DeleteI DONT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE I HATE THIS LAIR THING, ANSWERS POP UP EVERYWHERE
DeleteSidd's attitude toward the ferryman could best be described as?
ReplyDeleteAdmiring
Deleteyeah admiring like Angel said
Deleteyup admiring
Delete"They are all submissive they all want to be friends happily obeying and not thinking much People are like Children. " This passage contains an example of what type of figurative language?
ReplyDeleteOptions?
DeleteI say either alliteration or symbolism.
Deletei will say symbolism
Deletewell simile for sure
Deleteit says like children
Delete^^
Deletethats why the gators got slaughtered horrible by the nolls
DeleteDidn't read that last part.
DeleteThose are two of the 4 passages that will be on the test the other two are as follows
ReplyDeleteurely, many verses of the holy books, particularly in the Upanishades of Samaveda, spoke of this innermost and ultimate thing, wonderful verses. "Your soul is the whole world", was written there, and it was written that man in his sleep, in his deep sleep, would meet with his innermost part and would reside in the Atman. Marvellous wisdom was in these verses, all knowledge of the wisest ones had been collected here in magic words, pure as honey collected by bees. No, not to be looked down upon was the tremendous amount of enlightenment which lay here collected and preserved by innumerable generations of wise Brahmans.— But where were the Brahmans, where the priests, where the wise men or penitents, who had succeeded in not just knowing this deepest of all knowledge but also to live it? Where was the knowledgeable one who wove his spell to bring his familiarity with the Atman out of the sleep into the state of being awake, into the life, into every step of the way, into word and deed? Siddhartha knew many venerable Brahmans, chiefly his father, the pure one, the scholar, the most venerable one. His father was to be admired, quiet and noble were his manners, pure his life, wise his words, delicate and noble thoughts lived behind its brow —but even he, who knew so much, did he live in blissfulness, did he have peace, was he not also just a searching man, a thirsty man? Did he not, again and again, have to drink from holy sources, as a thirsty man, from the offerings, from the books, from the disputes of the Brahmans? Why did he, the irreproachable one, have to wash off sins every day, strive for a cleansing every day, over and over every day? Was not Atman in him, did not the pristine source spring from his heart? It had to be found, the pristine source in one's own self, it had to be possessed! Everything else was searching, was a detour, was getting lost.
ReplyDeleteThus were Siddhartha's thoughts, this was his thirst, this was his suffering.
Often he spoke to himself from a Chandogya-Upanishad the words: "Truly, the name of the Brahman is satyam—verily, he who knows such a thing, will enter the heavenly world every day." Often, it seemed near, the heavenly world, but never he had reached it completely, never he had quenched the ultimate thirst. And among all the wise and wisest men, he knew and whose instructions he had received, among all of them there was no one, who had reached it completely, the heavenly world, who had quenched it completely, the eternal thirst.
"Govinda," Siddhartha spoke to his friend, "Govinda, my dear, come with me under the Banyan tree, let's practise meditation."
They went to the Banyan tree, they sat down, Siddhartha right here, Govinda twenty paces away. While putting himself down, ready to speak the Om, Siddhartha repeated murmuring the verse:
Om is the bow, the arrow is soul, The Brahman is the arrow's target, That one should incessantly hit.
After the usual time of the exercise in meditation had passed, Govinda rose. The evening had come, it was time to perform the evening's ablution. He called Siddhartha's name. Siddhartha did not answer. Siddhartha sat there lost in thought, his eyes were rigidly focused towards a very distant target, the tip of his tongue was protruding a little between the teeth, he seemed not to breathe. Thus sat he, wrapped up in contemplation, thinking Om, his soul sent after the Brahman as an arrow.
Once, Samanas had travelled through Siddhartha's town, ascetics on a pilgrimage, three skinny, withered men, neither old nor young, with dusty and bloody shoulders, almost naked, scorched by the sun, surrounded by loneliness, strangers and enemies to the world, strangers and lank jackals in the realm of humans. Behind them blew a hot scent of quiet passion, of destructive service, of merciless self-denial.
What is the main idea of this passage? And what archetype are the Samanas?
Deletewell i read it and forgot what it was all about so i am going to read it again
Deleteim stumped truthfully
DeleteMain idea is Sidds realization that he's not finding anything in what he's doing, he wants to join the Samanas
DeleteI want to say the archetype is the persona but i don't know
DeleteTe archetype of the Samanas is that to reach true enlightenment and to find internal happiness, one must suffer all the suffering and no world possessions
DeleteI want to say the archetype for the samanas is the Journey maybe
Deletei agree with myles about the main idea
DeleteThe journey towards enlightenment with strong focus on spirituality and less focus on materialism and distractions, hence the "self-denial"
DeleteQuietly, Gotama had listened to him, unmoved. Now he spoke, the perfected one, with his kind, with his polite and clear voice: "You've heard the teachings, oh son of a Brahman, and good for you that you've thought about it thus deeply. You've found a gap in it, an error. You should think about this further. But be warned, oh seeker of knowledge, of the thicket of opinions and of arguing about words. There is nothing to opinions, they may be beautiful or ugly, smart or foolish, everyone can support them or discard them. But the teachings, you've heard from me, are no opinion, and their goal is not to explain the world to those who seek knowledge. They have a different goal; their goal is salvation from suffering. This is what Gotama teaches, nothing else."
ReplyDelete"I wish that you, oh exalted one, would not be angry with me," said the young man. "I have not spoken to you like this to argue with you, to argue about words. You are truly right, there is little to opinions. But let me say this one more thing: I have not doubted in you for a single moment. I have not doubted for a single moment that you are Buddha, that you have reached the goal, the highest goal towards which so many thousands of Brahmans and sons of Brahmans are on their way. You have found salvation from death. It has come to you in the course of your own search, on your own path, through thoughts, through meditation, through realizations, through enlightenment. It has not come to you by means of teachings! And—thus is my thought, oh exalted one,—nobody will obtain salvation by means of teachings! You will not be able to convey and say to anybody, oh venerable one, in words and through teachings what has happened to you in the hour of enlightenment! The teachings of the enlightened Buddha contain much, it teaches many to live righteously, to avoid evil. But there is one thing which these so clear, these so venerable teachings do not contain: they do not contain the mystery of what the exalted one has experienced for himself, he alone among hundreds of thousands. This is what I have thought and realized, when I have heard the teachings. This is why I am continuing my travels—not to seek other, better teachings, for I know there are none, but to depart from all teachings and all teachers and to reach my goal by myself or to die. But often, I'll think of this day, oh exalted one, and of this hour, when my eyes beheld a holy man."
Identify the epithet for Buddha. The passage would most likely be called a what? According to the passage Buddha's teaching offers? What is inferred by the Buddha calling Sidd a seeker of knowledge? What is Sidd's tone?
DeleteIs it when he says, "I wish that you, oh exalted one, would not be angry with me," ? Emphasis on exalted one for the epithet?
Deletei am reading this one still mr lear
Deletei would say exhalted one for the epithet too
DeleteBuddhas teachings offer salvation from suffering
DeleteThe epithet is that he is the realization, the allegory that Siddhartha has to find salvation through himself and not through the teaching of others.
DeleteThe buddha's teaching offer the idea of salvation through ones own experience
I am not to sure about what can be inferred, or Siddhartha's tone
Deletei think side's tone is like understanding ?
Deletemr lear are you going to help us on this one ??
Deletei thought it could be the idea of him realizing that he has to follow his own path and stop following other teachings, idk what tone that is, maybe something like realization or something
Deletei think he fell asleep that bed time had him like YEEETTT
DeleteThe passage would be called a parable! Buddha is helping Siddhartha realize his inner self
Deleteangel is using them AP words lol
DeleteAnyone know can be inferred by calling him a knowledge seeker ?
DeleteThat maybe Siddhartha tries to many times gathering knowledge to find his inner self, but does not satisfy him, thus showing his strive towards trying to find his inner self.
DeleteI would say Siddhartha's tone is genuine and sincere.
DeleteLol I finally, after a long time of trying, get on and my phone automatically dies. -Darling
ReplyDeleteSo uhhh Mr. Lear, the instructions say that you will give us "the proper answer".....
ReplyDeleteI concur with Myles.
Deleteyea myles has the best answer of us all
DeleteLol maybe he did fall asleep
DeleteOr he's laughing at how were all going to fail tomorrow
Deletelol we should tell him how we need bonus points because we didn't finish leers lair
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Deleteso dj kale like just flushed a toilet and had a key on the snapchat lmao
DeleteMy dawg also caught another iguana
DeleteGo Gators....
ReplyDeleteDolphins are this years Super Bowl team
Deletedidn't your quarter back take "steroids" and they kicked him out lol ? and your back up is like super trash ?
DeleteLol so now it's a chat about football
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Deletehey, they did not prove anything, just like the noles guy did not rape that girl
Deletelmao ^^^
Delete"What is an A+ for 100 points"
ReplyDeleteCan i get calc is going to destroy me for 200
Deletewhat is being happy passing with a D- for 300
Deletecan i get already in Santa Fe for 300
Deletesooo lear fell asleep or nah
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