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The first paragraph serves primarily as an introduction to Holden and what he is like. It serves as this to give the reader a small taste of what is to be expected out of Holden and how he acts.
He mainly focuses on his brother, D.B., as well. When he talks about him, it shows that Holden likes what D.B. is doing, but not who he is doing it for. The reader can already see that Holden doesn't like Hollywood and thinks everyone there is phonies.
The first paragraph of the novel serve the purpose of introducing Holden and his family. It also serves the purpose of introducing the novel as a reflective narrative
I believe it is some kind of mental hospital or a hospital. At the end, Holden says he is sick, so it could be a hospital, but he also notes how people have told him how he needs to see a psychotherapist
I concur with Myles, at the beginning we don't for sure where he is at so we have to use surrounding evidence. Using this evidence we can infer that he indeed is in a hospital of some sort like Myles previously stated
I agree you can infer just from how Holden acts throughout the novel that he needs help. Then in the last chapter he talks about "this one psychoanalyst guy they have here..." p.213
In addition of Myles, he says that he can tell us other stuff but he would get to attached and all.. So he's telling this to someone that he may think he can open up to much and get hurt.
I agree, he states how Hollywood isn't far from the "crumby place" that he is in, yet the setting takes place in New York, showing that he gets sent off somewhere after returning home to his family
I agree with Chelsea.. If he wanted to go more in depth about where he was, he would have. But being that he's most likely in a crazy house, it's a little embarrassing to mention you're in one
The first complete shift in setting starts on paragraph two ; Holden starts off by saying "where I want to start telling is the day I left Pency prep" and he describes the school.
He did just get back from New York, like Alkeria said. He was with the fencing team.. So he tells about him in Thomsen hill the night of the football game
I think it is C, because Holden does not really seem interested in sporting activities, sure he likes fencing, but I think he does that more to consume time
Well a is removed from him going from school to school. B is removed from their posibility of getting mad and d is removed because of his not wanting to go to the game and people being phonies.
Because he is critical about Hollywood when talking about D.B. This is the first evidence of Holden being negative toward something and calling people phonies
C because in paragraph three, he says that "practically the whole school except me was there..." when he talks about the football game against Saxon Hall. In the fourth paragraph, he also says he likes to be somewhere sitting where he can at least see a few girls. This shows that he isn't very interested in the football game
Because his brother is writing for Hollywood now, and Holden thinks it is full of phonies. He believes that his brother isn't writing to please others now, but only to make money and please himself
He notes in the first paragraph that his brother drives a Jaguar now that cost 4,000 dollars, showing us how Holden thinks he's only in Hollywood for the money
I agree withe Fernando, Holden compares D.B. to a prostitute because he is selling his novels to the "phonies" of Hollywood. In reverse Hollywood is also using him for one main thing (his novels/books) like a prostitute.
Hold questions what to do when life gets tough. Like the duck.. "What do you suppose they do when it the pond gets cold" he doesn't know where they go and neither does he himself right now in that time of his life.
"It" is referring to whether or not the cab driver would know Holden's question. He says, "Do you happen to know, by any chance?". After that it says that he realized "it" was only one chance in a million, which was saying that it was only one chance in a million that the cab driver would know the answer to his question
Holden also, in the previous paragraph, that the cab driver was a "wise guy", and Holden thinks that it is only one chance in a million because he thinks that the cab driver is going to think he's crazy and not answer his question
@ Xavier @ Christopher holden is stuck in a cycle of grief over the loss of his little brother, he can't make sense of allie's death and cant find his way back to participation in society without getting some answers, and he watned to get an answer from the cab driver
The it refers to the cabdriver realizing what Holden is trying to get him to realize, which is Holden trying to gr The it refers to the cabdriver realizing what Holden is trying to get him to realize, which is Holden trying to grow up
On page 60, Holden's response to the taxi driver's question of "Where to?" revels what about his character? What type of Character is he, the Taxi driver, and Holden?
The taxi driver, I believe, seems like he's not fully contempt with his job as a taxi driver. I myself think I wouldn't be in the best of moods if I were a taxi driver especially around that time (late).
Sorry I was using the voice message. It refers to the cabdriver realizing what Holden is trying to get him to realize, which is Holden trying to grow up.
I think that it reveals that Holden is trying to find him true self/character because he starts acting phony/corny. Then goes on to say that he hates acting like that, but he always acts corny if somebody else is acting corny to.
Holden, in the paragraph after, says that he is "traveling incognito" and also he says the only reason he says the word incognito is because the cab driver is a corny person, so Holden used what he thinks is a corny word. This shows that the cab driver, to Holden, is corny. Holden also asks him to join him for a drink, which shows how Holden wants to act like an adult
I agree with Myles. Also the constant fact of him trying to put himself in adult predicaments, especially about the part of asking the driver for a drink. Since he doesn't want to run into any "old aquaintances", it's basically him saying he's scared of confronting his past.
On page 60 paragraph 4 the driver says "what're you tryna do, bud" "kid me" this shows that he is annoyed toward holden in the way that he asks childish questions
Also on the bottom of page 60 the driver has short cold small talk with holden only saying small things like "Can't do it, Mac. Sorry" like he doesn't want to deal with holden and wants to get the drive over with as quick as possible.
The taxi driver can tell that Holden is a teenager just looking for acceptance. He doesn't really talk to Holden like he is an adult. Before the cab driver asks Holden where he is going, he uses the phrase, "All right, buddy" The fact that he uses "buddy" when talking to Holden shows that he knows Holden isn't an adult
At the bottom of page 60, Holden is showing (2) in the way that he invites the driver just to hang out with anyone and also offers to pay for the drink to he the driver to go for the drinks
I agree with Myles. The cab driver consistently use phrases such as bud and kid me. Showing that he feels as if he is talking to somebody younger than him that is below adult status.
Especially the part where the cab driver says "What are you tryna do bud? Kid me?" This shows that the cab driver isn't foolish, or stupid.. So he isn't giving into Holden's immaturity. He's well aware that he's another rebellious teen looking for trouble
I feel like he is expressing his desire to impress adults. Immediately after he tells him to take him to Edmont, he says, "Would you care to stop on the way and join me for a cocktail? On me. I'm loaded." Holden is trying to impress the driver by trying to show that he is old enough to drink and that he has quite a bit of money
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It reveals that holden as a character looks at the downside of things and that is what causes him to have depression on how he only sees the "dog crap and gobs of spit and cigar butts"
He says that it "made you depressed" because Phoebe isn't there with him. Later on pg. 118 after describing how depressing the park is he starts thinking about what his sister would do when she was there.
To go with what jorge says, the park could represent his life on how there really isn't anyone significant in his life and his life is empty like the park
This reveals that Holden doesn't like to see things dark and gloomy like he describes the park. He says that the sun wasn't out and that there wasn't anything in the park except "...dog crap and globs of spit and cigar butts from old men..."
It reveals that he's realizing that a terrible life he is living, along with the consequences he's having to pay. Prior to that sentence, he describes the park as disgusting when he says "dog crap and globs of spit and cigar butts from old men". It makes him come to a conclusion of how terrible the world & his life is.. And being that he wants to escape it all, his surroundings to make it that much better.
Agree with the above comments. Holden does say that he only looks at the downside of things, so when he describes the park, it makes it seem like it is run down.
Reveals that it doesn't matter where's he's at, weather with a group, one person, or by himself. He is always lonely. In this case, he is alone AND lonely. TThis also reveals how his fast he can get depressed and suicidal in comparison to having somewhat of people around.
Reveals that it doesn't matter where's he's at, weather with a group, one person, or by himself. He is always lonely. In this case, he is alone AND lonely. TThis also reveals how his fast he can get depressed and suicidal in comparison to having somewhat of people around.
I feel as if it the extent of Holden's depression. Holden doesn't feel as if anything good is coming out of his life. The park is a symbol of how his life is going right now, and Holden doesn't see a way out
i think that the reason that Salinger put those words into italics was to (2) extent of Holden's depression, in an analogy that he doesn't think that anything good will come soon, like how he says in the paragraph " it didn't seem at all like Christmas was coming soon"
Yess!! Jorge! Holden is sad because the little girls doesn't know what she's in for whewhen its time to leave all the great little quarks of childhood like a lumoy sweater.
Holden wants every little kid in the world to be perfect. Anything that he finds as wrong, he doesn't want it to be exposed to the child, even with something as little as a lumpy sweater
I agree with Myles and Jorge on the way that he looks negatively on the way that the mother made the sweaty, because they probably could not afford one
I agree with Fernando.. His relationship with his mother could affect how he views/criticizes other mothers. Suppose he had a good relationship with his mom, then he probably would've praised the little girl for her sweater, or complimented her on it.
Extent of Holden's depression. Prior to that, he mentions it doesn't even feel like Christmas is coming. That is a joyous season & a time of cheerfulness and celebration, the opposite of what he's experiencing. So it depicts that he has no hope at all, and extremely far from a happy attitude involving any type of holiday.. He's hopeless
The first paragraph of the novel primarily serves to do what and why?
ReplyDeleteIt shows the reader Holden's narrative style and what kind of person Holden is
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DeleteIt shows what type of person holden is, and gives readers a small insight of what his life is like without giving too much information
DeleteIt shows Holden's hate for hollywood and phonies
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ReplyDeleteI'm signed in my home but it won't allow me to to tap it. -Elianys
ReplyDeleteGot it
ReplyDeleteThe first paragraph serves to introduce us Holden and the type of personality he has so that Salinger's audience can get a sense of what to expect.
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DeleteIt gives background info on Holden
ReplyDeleteThink about the Frame...
DeleteThe first paragraph serves primarily as an introduction to Holden and what he is like. It serves as this to give the reader a small taste of what is to be expected out of Holden and how he acts.
ReplyDeleteHe mainly focuses on his brother, D.B., as well. When he talks about him, it shows that Holden likes what D.B. is doing, but not who he is doing it for. The reader can already see that Holden doesn't like Hollywood and thinks everyone there is phonies.
ReplyDeleteIt allows us question where Holden is and dives us in to the novel
ReplyDeleteI agree.
DeleteFrom the context, the reader can infer that "this crumby place" the narrator refers to in the
ReplyDeletemiddle of the first paragraph of the novel is most likely
and why of course?
DeleteA hospital, because no one really wants to be in one
DeleteThe first paragraph of the novel serve the purpose of introducing Holden and his family. It also serves the purpose of introducing the novel as a reflective narrative
ReplyDeleteHe also blames his parents for not being able to tell you about his home life when he just doesnt want to speak about it.
ReplyDeleteEven more of a reason of why he's at a precise place and time. It just roaming around outside. He's telling all this to someone.
DeletePhsychological Institution.
ReplyDeleteI believe it is some kind of mental hospital or a hospital. At the end, Holden says he is sick, so it could be a hospital, but he also notes how people have told him how he needs to see a psychotherapist
ReplyDeleteI concur with Myles, at the beginning we don't for sure where he is at so we have to use surrounding evidence. Using this evidence we can infer that he indeed is in a hospital of some sort like Myles previously stated
DeleteI agree you can infer just from how Holden acts throughout the novel that he needs help. Then in the last chapter he talks about "this one psychoanalyst guy they have here..." p.213
DeleteIn addition of Myles, he says that he can tell us other stuff but he would get to attached and all.. So he's telling this to someone that he may think he can open up to much and get hurt.
ReplyDeleteOne things I thought was important is how he is in Cali since his brother visits
ReplyDeleteI agree, he states how Hollywood isn't far from the "crumby place" that he is in, yet the setting takes place in New York, showing that he gets sent off somewhere after returning home to his family
DeleteThat could tie in to the fact that he is used to go from school to school. Traveling a lot
DeleteHe also says that his parents are most likely going to send him off somewhere after they find out he flunked out of school
ReplyDeleteYeah because in chapter 26 he says he can tell more but he doesn't want to
ReplyDeleteThe crumby place is a mental hospital because he mentioned his brother is nearby and that he "had to come out and take it easy."
ReplyDeleteAgree
DeleteI agree
DeleteBecause he says D.B. comes and visits him and it's not too far from Hollywood.
DeleteIn the first chapter, the first complete shift in setting occurs when? And From what to what?
ReplyDeleteuse TEXTUAL EVIDENCE
DeleteIt starts in paragraph 2 where he says, "Where I want to start telling this day..."
DeleteI think it's when holden talks about leaving Pency Prep, and getting back from New York City
DeleteIn paragraph two, like Fernando says, and it switches from his narration in the mental hospital to the day he left Pencey Prep
DeleteThe setting goes from the place he's in, most likely a mental hospital, and the setting shifts to Pencey
DeleteI agree with Chelsea.. If he wanted to go more in depth about where he was, he would have. But being that he's most likely in a crazy house, it's a little embarrassing to mention you're in one
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DeleteWhere he leaves Pencey prep to to the football game at Saxon hall
ReplyDeleteHe starts talking about his brother.. Maybe to change the topic
ReplyDeleteThe first complete shift in setting starts on paragraph two ; Holden starts off by saying "where I want to start telling is the day I left Pency prep" and he describes the school.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree with you
DeleteHe did just get back from New York, like Alkeria said. He was with the fencing team.. So he tells about him in Thomsen hill the night of the football game
ReplyDeleteYou right!
DeleteI agree because he begins talking about where he was and then shifts to what he wanted to tell us about
DeleteWhat is not a logical assumption from chapter 1 and why?
ReplyDeleteA. Holden's parents are financially secure
B. Holden's parents are reserved and somewhat detached emotionally
C. Holden is very interested in sports
D. The writer is critical of certain aspects of society
C. Holden really doesn't talk about sports and doesn't even go to a football game that meant a lot to his community
DeleteC?
DeleteHe says that he really doesn't care
DeleteI think it is C, because Holden does not really seem interested in sporting activities, sure he likes fencing, but I think he does that more to consume time
DeleteWell a is removed from him going from school to school. B is removed from their posibility of getting mad and d is removed because of his not wanting to go to the game and people being phonies.
DeleteI do not think that it is B, because Holden talks about them trying to talk to him and getting him to a place for help
DeleteC, because the only time that holden mentions sports is when he says he's the manager of the fencing team
DeleteHey guys I have question, why would it not be D?
DeleteBecause he is critical about Hollywood when talking about D.B. This is the first evidence of Holden being negative toward something and calling people phonies
DeleteOh. Okay. Thanks fam
DeleteI think I'm ready for the next question.. Im not sure if we covered what is asked.
ReplyDeleteThat is why you discuss it now :)
DeleteWell his parents are definitely financially secure being that he's sent to multiple boarding schools.
ReplyDeleteC because in paragraph three, he says that "practically the whole school except me was there..." when he talks about the football game against Saxon Hall. In the fourth paragraph, he also says he likes to be somewhere sitting where he can at least see a few girls. This shows that he isn't very interested in the football game
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DeleteI agree
DeleteIn paragraph 3 he says "Saxon Hall was suppose to be a very big deal around Pencey" but yet he wasnt going and he didn't want to either.
DeleteI concur!
DeleteNot sure if C is a non logical answer cause we can find evidence. Are you asking "what can you not conclude from the first chapter?"
ReplyDeleteHe is asking more of what can we infer from the chapter out of those choices
DeleteHow is he interested other than losing fencing equipment?
DeleteWhen Holden states, "Now he's out in Hollywood, D.B., being a prostitute," he most likely
ReplyDeletemeans that and why?
Prostitutes sell there body for money and D.B. is basically selling his novels and talent to Hollywood
Deletewrong their
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DeleteHolden means that D.B. is selling himself out as an author. He elaborates when he talks about the cabin.
ReplyDeleteOhh okay
Deleteagree
DeleteWow!! D.B is not his brother.. Or D.B is a prostitute???
ReplyDeleteD.B. Is his brother. He made a comparison between him and a prostitute
DeleteBecause his brother is writing for Hollywood now, and Holden thinks it is full of phonies. He believes that his brother isn't writing to please others now, but only to make money and please himself
ReplyDeleteBasically
DeleteHe notes in the first paragraph that his brother drives a Jaguar now that cost 4,000 dollars, showing us how Holden thinks he's only in Hollywood for the money
DeleteI agree withe Fernando, Holden compares D.B. to a prostitute because he is selling his novels to the "phonies" of Hollywood. In reverse Hollywood is also using him for one main thing (his novels/books) like a prostitute.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you too
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DeleteThat's a good symbolism
ReplyDeletejust symbol
DeleteIn the 3rd paragraph on page 60 which references the ducks, the "it" in the last sentence
ReplyDeleteprobably refers to the chance of.. and why? TEXTUAL EVIDENCE
whether or not the cab driver knew the question he asked
Deletein the third paragraph he says " it was only one in a million chance" referring to the question he asked
DeleteThe "it" is the chance of the cab driver knowing the context of the question he asked, not really about actual ducks.
DeleteHe talks about all the money D.B. is making like a prostitute. He also says in the first paragraph that "He use to be a regular writer"
ReplyDeleteHold questions what to do when life gets tough. Like the duck.. "What do you suppose they do when it the pond gets cold" he doesn't know where they go and neither does he himself right now in that time of his life.
ReplyDelete"It" is referring to whether or not the cab driver would know Holden's question. He says, "Do you happen to know, by any chance?". After that it says that he realized "it" was only one chance in a million, which was saying that it was only one chance in a million that the cab driver would know the answer to his question
ReplyDeleteIt was a one in a million chance of the drier knowing the ducks like knowing the struggle because of his age
ReplyDeleteHolden also, in the previous paragraph, that the cab driver was a "wise guy", and Holden thinks that it is only one chance in a million because he thinks that the cab driver is going to think he's crazy and not answer his question
ReplyDeleteOr he thinks that the cab driver is the only person who will fully understand the question.
DeleteI completely agree with you on that one. Nice use of surrounding evidence
Deletemaybe "it" is referring to Holden's life, his broken cold heart
ReplyDeleteI agree with Alkeria, the ducks are the analogy of him being lost in the world
DeleteCould you explain more on this please? :)
Delete@ Xavier @ Christopher holden is stuck in a cycle of grief over the loss of his little brother, he can't make sense of allie's death and cant find his way back to participation in society without getting some answers, and he watned to get an answer from the cab driver
DeleteIf we do not get more participation from others within the next 5 minutes I will not release any more questions
ReplyDeleteHow many people do we have ?
ReplyDelete7 now with Xavier
Deleteyou need 10
Deletedo you count?
DeleteAnd if I did you would still be short
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ReplyDeleteI feel like Holden is looking for an answer to why he is constantly traveling from place to place and where it will take him
ReplyDeleteI agree , but I also thing it symbolizes how he is lost and he keeps asking people where they go, because he is trying to find some answer.
DeleteHe doesn't know what to do with his life. This can probably result from the tragedy he experianced losing his brother
DeleteI agree that the ducks are to symbolize himself and how he feels lost in the big city.
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ReplyDeleteFigure it out
DeleteThe it refers to the cabdriver realizing what Holden is trying to get him to realize, which is Holden trying to gr The it refers to the cabdriver realizing what Holden is trying to get him to realize, which is Holden trying to grow up
ReplyDeleteOn page 60, Holden's response to the taxi driver's question of "Where to?" revels what about his character? What type of Character is he, the Taxi driver, and Holden?
ReplyDeleteThe taxi driver, I believe, seems like he's not fully contempt with his job as a taxi driver. I myself think I wouldn't be in the best of moods if I were a taxi driver especially around that time (late).
DeleteSorry I was using the voice message. It refers to the cabdriver realizing what Holden is trying to get him to realize, which is Holden trying to grow up.
ReplyDeleteI mean.. I think it's normal for a taxi driver to say "where too" is everything just one big symbol
ReplyDeleteI'm hereee! It's lilibeth
ReplyDeletechildish
DeleteHolden doesnt want to run into his past on pg 60
ReplyDeleteI agree. Holden is trying to move forward in life and just like you said avoid his past
DeleteHe says he doesn't want to go to the East Side because he "might run into some acquaintances"
DeleteI think that it reveals that Holden is trying to find him true self/character because he starts acting phony/corny. Then goes on to say that he hates acting like that, but he always acts corny if somebody else is acting corny to.
ReplyDeleteHolden, in the paragraph after, says that he is "traveling incognito" and also he says the only reason he says the word incognito is because the cab driver is a corny person, so Holden used what he thinks is a corny word. This shows that the cab driver, to Holden, is corny. Holden also asks him to join him for a drink, which shows how Holden wants to act like an adult
ReplyDeleteThat last part, where he asks to join for a drink also shows how holden will pretty much hang out with anyone not to be alone.
DeleteI agree, this leads to the topic of Holden's loneliness
DeleteI also agree with Fernando, Holden doesn't want to be seen by anyone that he knows, hinting at the fact that he is trying to run away from his past
ReplyDeleteThe drink is symbolic because its his acceptance of phony people and essentially the world.
ReplyDeleteIt also symbolizes adulthood like Myles previously stated
DeleteI agree with Myles. Also the constant fact of him trying to put himself in adult predicaments, especially about the part of asking the driver for a drink. Since he doesn't want to run into any "old aquaintances", it's basically him saying he's scared of confronting his past.
ReplyDeleteIn chapter 9, the taxi driver's attitude toward the narrator could best be described as... use TE
ReplyDeleteOn page 60 paragraph 4 the driver says "what're you tryna do, bud" "kid me" this shows that he is annoyed toward holden in the way that he asks childish questions
DeleteAlso on the bottom of page 60 the driver has short cold small talk with holden only saying small things like "Can't do it, Mac. Sorry" like he doesn't want to deal with holden and wants to get the drive over with as quick as possible.
DeleteHe's annoyed by Holden when he says " where you trying to get at "
ReplyDeleteI agree from there on out everywhere Holden asked to go the driver would just say he couldn't do that.
DeleteOn pg. 60 Holden says," He turned aroumd at looked at me like I was a madman". This basically shows us that the cab driver thinks Holden is crazy.
Deleteyeah he's very annoyed and smartmouthed
DeleteThe taxi driver can tell that Holden is a teenager just looking for acceptance. He doesn't really talk to Holden like he is an adult. Before the cab driver asks Holden where he is going, he uses the phrase, "All right, buddy" The fact that he uses "buddy" when talking to Holden shows that he knows Holden isn't an adult
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ReplyDeleteThe taxi driver's behavior can best be described as annoyed. On page 60 he really doesn't know what Holden's talking about, or trying to reference
ReplyDeleteYaaas agree
ReplyDeleteIn the paragraph at the bottom of page 60 beginning with "Well-- take me to the Edmont,
ReplyDeletethen," Holden reveals his1. Desire to impress adults2. Desperation for companionship3.
Maturity and worldliness
maturity and worliness, because he thinks by drinking it will make him more of an adult
DeleteAt the bottom of page 60, Holden is showing (2) in the way that he invites the driver just to hang out with anyone and also offers to pay for the drink to he the driver to go for the drinks
DeleteI agree with Myles. The cab driver consistently use phrases such as bud and kid me. Showing that he feels as if he is talking to somebody younger than him that is below adult status.
ReplyDeleteEspecially the part where the cab driver says "What are you tryna do bud? Kid me?" This shows that the cab driver isn't foolish, or stupid.. So he isn't giving into Holden's immaturity. He's well aware that he's another rebellious teen looking for trouble
ReplyDeleteI feel like he is expressing his desire to impress adults. Immediately after he tells him to take him to Edmont, he says, "Would you care to stop on the way and join me for a cocktail? On me. I'm loaded." Holden is trying to impress the driver by trying to show that he is old enough to drink and that he has quite a bit of money
ReplyDeleteHolden does this throughout the story every time he goes to bar
Deleteyeah, but i think it is 2 because he isn't like " oh hey drink all the time" its more like " hey come chill with me i will buy"
DeleteTrue^^
DeletePerhaps the driver reacts to what Holden suggest they do now which is "get a drink" . He is well aware.
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ReplyDeleteHolden's comment on page 118 that the park "made you depressed" reveals that he
ReplyDeletewhat does this tell us about his character?
DeleteHe is depressed and alone because the park is empty
DeleteIt reveals that holden as a character looks at the downside of things and that is what causes him to have depression on how he only sees the "dog crap and gobs of spit and cigar butts"
DeleteEverything Holden describes is in a negative tone. He just describes all the bad parts of the park.
DeleteHe says that it "made you depressed" because Phoebe isn't there with him. Later on pg. 118 after describing how depressing the park is he starts thinking about what his sister would do when she was there.
DeleteTo go with what jorge says, the park could represent his life on how there really isn't anyone significant in his life and his life is empty like the park
DeleteThis reveals that Holden doesn't like to see things dark and gloomy like he describes the park. He says that the sun wasn't out and that there wasn't anything in the park except "...dog crap and globs of spit and cigar butts from old men..."
DeleteIt reveals that he's realizing that a terrible life he is living, along with the consequences he's having to pay. Prior to that sentence, he describes the park as disgusting when he says "dog crap and globs of spit and cigar butts from old men". It makes him come to a conclusion of how terrible the world & his life is.. And being that he wants to escape it all, his surroundings to make it that much better.
DeleteIt could be a feeling of longing, maybe something relating to his childhood
DeleteDon't make it *
DeleteAgree with the above comments. Holden does say that he only looks at the downside of things, so when he describes the park, it makes it seem like it is run down.
DeleteReveals that it doesn't matter where's he's at, weather with a group, one person, or by himself. He is always lonely. In this case, he is alone AND lonely. TThis also reveals how his fast he can get depressed and suicidal in comparison to having somewhat of people around.
DeleteReveals that it doesn't matter where's he's at, weather with a group, one person, or by himself. He is always lonely. In this case, he is alone AND lonely. TThis also reveals how his fast he can get depressed and suicidal in comparison to having somewhat of people around.
DeleteIn the beginning of the novel he says he had a lousy childhood so maybe the park could symbolize how he looked at his childhood all together.
DeleteThe author most likely put "any" in italics in "It didn't seem like anything was coming soon"
ReplyDelete(118) to convey the1. Total dreariness of the park2. Extent of Holden's depression3. Depth of
the sensitivity of Holden
I would say the extent of Holden's depression as he sees no hope in the future
DeleteYes. No.2 is what I was trying to express
DeleteI feel as if it the extent of Holden's depression. Holden doesn't feel as if anything good is coming out of his life. The park is a symbol of how his life is going right now, and Holden doesn't see a way out
DeleteBut doesn't he want to save the purity and innocence of children's childhood/memories. Maybe he's just at a point where he is giving up on that
DeleteI agree with Jorge. Holden sees nothing good for himself to come in the future.
Deletei think that the reason that Salinger put those words into italics was to (2) extent of Holden's depression, in an analogy that he doesn't think that anything good will come soon, like how he says in the paragraph " it didn't seem at all like Christmas was coming soon"
DeleteAgree
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DeleteThe author most likely included Holden's comment on page 118 about the little girl's sweater
ReplyDeletebeing "lumpy" and made by the mother in order to and why?
I think it might have to do with the bad relationship that he has with his mother
DeleteLike the park, it shows how Holden is so negative about everything.
DeleteIt shoes the poor little girl and how Holden wants to protect her from the world
DeleteYess!! Jorge!
DeleteHolden is sad because the little girls doesn't know what she's in for whewhen its time to leave all the great little quarks of childhood like a lumoy sweater.
Holden wants every little kid in the world to be perfect. Anything that he finds as wrong, he doesn't want it to be exposed to the child, even with something as little as a lumpy sweater
DeleteI agree with Myles and Jorge on the way that he looks negatively on the way that the mother made the sweaty, because they probably could not afford one
DeleteI agree with Fernando.. His relationship with his mother could affect how he views/criticizes other mothers. Suppose he had a good relationship with his mom, then he probably would've praised the little girl for her sweater, or complimented her on it.
DeleteExtent of Holden's depression. Prior to that, he mentions it doesn't even feel like Christmas is coming. That is a joyous season & a time of cheerfulness and celebration, the opposite of what he's experiencing. So it depicts that he has no hope at all, and extremely far from a happy attitude involving any type of holiday.. He's hopeless
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DeleteGiven the context of the passage on page 119 (and the novel as a whole), Holden's comment,
ReplyDelete"I love it when a kid's nice and polite" can best be interpreted by the reader as... an why?
A. Symbolic
B. Ironic
C. Flippant
D. Straightforward
Ironic because he's not polite at all.
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